One More Question
LarrynKy
Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:01 am
As I have been evaluating my roofing estimates, I am also getting various recommendations regarding some of the more subtle items such as width of the ice guard liner to be used in the valleys. One says 36" (18" on each side) the other uses 18" (9" on each side). One says if I am not getting any leaks around the current flashing I should leave it alone and the other says it should be replaced. One didn't include a new drip edge and the other did.
I want a good job done, but at the same time don't want to throw money away either. My head says the one with the wide liner, flashing replacement and the new drip edge is the company with the better recommendations and is the company to select.
However this company had a much higher quote and did lower their price about 12%. I would have appreciated their best price the first time and that makes me concerned too.
Your thoughts?
I want a good job done, but at the same time don't want to throw money away either. My head says the one with the wide liner, flashing replacement and the new drip edge is the company with the better recommendations and is the company to select.
However this company had a much higher quote and did lower their price about 12%. I would have appreciated their best price the first time and that makes me concerned too.
Your thoughts?
Master
Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:38 am
Pay for what you get. From my perspective, I would take the complete system.....
no valleye should be without 36" or better.
Drip edge is marginal in it's use, in my opinion.
Flashings are always best replaced with the roof.
This is why I do not lower my price without eliminating something or downgrading materials.....you cannot put a price on craftsmanship...not according to the other bidders, anyways.
Remember...the low guys make their money too. Ever wonder how?
no valleye should be without 36" or better.
Drip edge is marginal in it's use, in my opinion.
Flashings are always best replaced with the roof.
This is why I do not lower my price without eliminating something or downgrading materials.....you cannot put a price on craftsmanship...not according to the other bidders, anyways.
Remember...the low guys make their money too. Ever wonder how?
LarrynKy
Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:45 am
thanks and yes i do know...and will be here during the whole job. thanks
Pride_roofing
Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:50 am
Well, Larry sounds like you are concerned with getting it done corectly but are hesitant on pay the price for quality. At least from what im reading. Anyone that cuts a 36" roll of ice and water in half should be shot in my thoughts. RUnning 36' inches is added protection, better to be safe than sorry. As far as the price honestly can you put a price on you all you have put in that home? You protecting your biggest investment. WHy are you going to try and short change that?
Drip should be used period.
Flashing would be replaced by and quality roofing company
If they reuse it that just being lazy only takea a few minutes to replace hence we forget we tear it up when tear off happens. Even recovers should be flashed. Either way it sound like you habe found some lazy roofers or salesman that dont know the business and they direct the job mind you.
Is you piece of mind worth a few hundred bucks mind you it might be 500 or 1200 but think is it worth it?
Drip should be used period.
Flashing would be replaced by and quality roofing company
If they reuse it that just being lazy only takea a few minutes to replace hence we forget we tear it up when tear off happens. Even recovers should be flashed. Either way it sound like you habe found some lazy roofers or salesman that dont know the business and they direct the job mind you.
Is you piece of mind worth a few hundred bucks mind you it might be 500 or 1200 but think is it worth it?
LarrynKy
Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:25 am
Your comments have helped. You confirmed my belief that the better job is worth the expense. I just wanted to make sure it was worthwhile. I thought that it should be as these items normally don't get changed that often and this should be the time to do it
In a climate as we have in Louisville which means sometimes substantial snow but usually not, none of the roofers recommended the ice guard at the eaves. The slope on my roof is an 8/12 and a 12/12. Would you also agree with their suggestion?
Thanks again!
I am very willing to pay for the quality. Just wanted to make sure it was worthwhile services I was receiving.
In a climate as we have in Louisville which means sometimes substantial snow but usually not, none of the roofers recommended the ice guard at the eaves. The slope on my roof is an 8/12 and a 12/12. Would you also agree with their suggestion?
Thanks again!
I am very willing to pay for the quality. Just wanted to make sure it was worthwhile services I was receiving.
Master
Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:27 pm
If you sometimes get snow, you will sometimes get ice. The guys that are not recommending ice guard are simply trying to lower the selling price without regard for customer.
SYS
Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:00 pm
Sound's to me like the GAF 5 part system that you have recieved a bid for. If this is the case this might be a master elite contractor your dealing with and that is a great deal. They don't just give the elite contractor status away with the purchase of shingles at the local home depot. You have to take a class and get certified for it. This may or may not be the case, but either way if it was my home I would get the drip edge, new flashings, and ice and water shield job. The other deal is what get's put on new construction homes that need to be replaced within 2 years of install.
Also you didn't mention venting is there ridge vent or lovour vents in your bid from either of the two companies?
Also you didn't mention venting is there ridge vent or lovour vents in your bid from either of the two companies?
Master
Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:11 pm
Somebody correct me if im wrong on the GAF MAster Elite Residential Roofing Contractor status.....I didnt have to take a class, just a test...anda couple grand..
I am not Master Elite Residentilal, but Authorized, but I am a Master Commercial Roofing Contractor.
I am not Master Elite Residentilal, but Authorized, but I am a Master Commercial Roofing Contractor.
Shane@RRSroofing
Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:35 pm
Master Elite has a certificate number much like this ....................... GAFMC CERT # ME10208 Class and test and couple grand!
Pride_roofing
Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:46 am
Well personally i think its a crock to install their product and pay to say u know what ur doing when you dont even need to take the test. It is a money thing peroid.
Certainteeds is pure what you know not how much do i write the check for.
Certainteeds is pure what you know not how much do i write the check for.
LarrynKy
Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:10 am
I am definitely having the drip edge replaced. They are removing the 20 yr old power vent (still runs) and replacing it with 3 additional box vents. They are also replacing the existing box vents as well. I will be having all flashing replaced. Any problems with aluminum for this? Is copper worht the additional cost?
Now to the ice and water guard. All the companies only recommended it in the valleys. So I will be doing that with 36" wide material. None recommended at the gutters due to my roof pitches (8/12 and 12/12). I can tell them I still want that. What is the going rate/foot for 36" installed ice and water guard at the gutters?
I appreciate your recommendations. Thanks!
Now to the ice and water guard. All the companies only recommended it in the valleys. So I will be doing that with 36" wide material. None recommended at the gutters due to my roof pitches (8/12 and 12/12). I can tell them I still want that. What is the going rate/foot for 36" installed ice and water guard at the gutters?
I appreciate your recommendations. Thanks!
Master
Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:07 am
welp, with copper, you gett=its beauty, comparable material cost, BUT you need a skilled craftsman to install it and youll get a metallurgical joint instead of a sealant.
If you have gutters and someimes get snow resulting in ice dams.....just ask him what is his reason for not wanting to install the ice barrier. I am interested to see what he says.
If you have gutters and someimes get snow resulting in ice dams.....just ask him what is his reason for not wanting to install the ice barrier. I am interested to see what he says.
SYS
Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:17 am
aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh copper it's just so pretty at first..... then it get's all green and white lookin it can be cleaned. If you have copper installed in my area it raises the property value. Copper is the longest lasting metal used in roofing aplications. If you are installing architectural shingles then copper wouldn't be such a bad idea. If you are installing 3 tab/3in1 commons then just go with the other flashings they are offering.
Also im sure you have pipe's (soil stacks) you have mentioned nothing about them. There are different types of boots. Lead pipe boots are the best way to go if you have snow on your roof in the winter time. However the squirrels love to eat lead so if you have squirrels on your roof you might want to shoot em The other boot is a square piece of flat metal with a circle hole in the middle (sizes range) the circle hole in the middle has a round piece of neoprene(rubber) with a whole in the middle of it. The metal part has a bead around the circle hole edge where the neoprene is held. Hope that makes any kind of sence to you. The lead boot goes all the way up to the top of the pipe and wraps around the top of the pipe, the rubber one doesn't
Also im sure you have pipe's (soil stacks) you have mentioned nothing about them. There are different types of boots. Lead pipe boots are the best way to go if you have snow on your roof in the winter time. However the squirrels love to eat lead so if you have squirrels on your roof you might want to shoot em The other boot is a square piece of flat metal with a circle hole in the middle (sizes range) the circle hole in the middle has a round piece of neoprene(rubber) with a whole in the middle of it. The metal part has a bead around the circle hole edge where the neoprene is held. Hope that makes any kind of sence to you. The lead boot goes all the way up to the top of the pipe and wraps around the top of the pipe, the rubber one doesn't
LarrynKy
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:32 am
Well I signed the deal on Thursday. I ended up with the GAF 30 year Timberline in Weatherwood. I also opted for the copper flashing in all areas, chimney and step flashings. Yes, there will be the lead boots on the plumbing vents. They also mentioned some type of a metal ring to place on the top, I believe, of the lead boots to help deter the squirrels. They still felt the ice and water guard at the gutters wasn't needed due to the roof pitch. They will be installing it in the valleys, along the porch roof, the chimney and the vent boxes. They will be installing a new drip edge, 12' ridge vent over a vaulted kitchen eating area. They will also be removing the 20 yr old power vent and replacing it with 2 vent boxes and installing 4 other vent boxes and replacing the existing vent boxes. They will also be doing a tear off of the current roof and felt and putting in new 15# felt. There is 44 squares and the price was $9,250. The contractor is a very well known provider in the Louisville area who has a 100% clear record with the BBB. They are supposed to be here Tuesday. Temps are supposed to be about 80 so it will be much cooler than it has been. I am very happy and have appreciated the help everyone has been on this board.
SYS
Sat Aug 20, 2005 2:41 am
Way to go Larry. You will thank yourself for the decision you made one of these days. I have seen the pipe boot collars you are talking about they look like little ufo's on your roof... when you see the crazy people taking pictures of them just let em go
If you want to keep morale up have the wife make em some cookies or kool-aid or something... Roofers love to be appreciated like that, happy roofers work better. Just ignore the sign that says "Please don't feed the roofers."
It's going to be so pretty with the copper flashings and 30 year laminates boy are your neighbors gonna be jealous
If you want to keep morale up have the wife make em some cookies or kool-aid or something... Roofers love to be appreciated like that, happy roofers work better. Just ignore the sign that says "Please don't feed the roofers."
It's going to be so pretty with the copper flashings and 30 year laminates boy are your neighbors gonna be jealous
