HOA Wants A New Roof, Best Way Of Doing It?
Psychonavigator
Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:45 am
I did a lot of roofing up in michigan, and we tended to do a lot of putting a second layer over the original provided the roof gave no signs of being damaged at all. The company I worked for had done this for years and almost never had any problems. There has been only a couple of exceptions throuout the years, and I have had the notion that when done right, this is an acceptable means of laying a roof.
I was invited to the HOA board meeting and one member in particular absolutely wants the single layer torn off, and a new one laid. The thing is that I have looked at the roof, and despite the age, there is no sign of excessive wear other than the faded color and worn off granules, and there isn't hardly any curling. The deck shows no signs of sagging and overall looks very sturdy. The townhouses were built in 1987. I'm maintaining to the board my position that instead of paying to rip off the old shingles, and lay new ones that it would save more money to just go ahead and lay over the new ones. The environment is not exactly harsh, and the money saved by leaving the old layer could be invested in cutting the peak open and laying a ridge cap along the length to ventilate the attics properly.
I need support backing this up, because one member in particular is adamant that we need to tear the old roof off. I would agree, if the roof situation looked questionable. However, like I said before, it just looks old.
I was invited to the HOA board meeting and one member in particular absolutely wants the single layer torn off, and a new one laid. The thing is that I have looked at the roof, and despite the age, there is no sign of excessive wear other than the faded color and worn off granules, and there isn't hardly any curling. The deck shows no signs of sagging and overall looks very sturdy. The townhouses were built in 1987. I'm maintaining to the board my position that instead of paying to rip off the old shingles, and lay new ones that it would save more money to just go ahead and lay over the new ones. The environment is not exactly harsh, and the money saved by leaving the old layer could be invested in cutting the peak open and laying a ridge cap along the length to ventilate the attics properly.
I need support backing this up, because one member in particular is adamant that we need to tear the old roof off. I would agree, if the roof situation looked questionable. However, like I said before, it just looks old.
Master
Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:06 am
Sorry, but it is ALWAYS a better job to tear off. You will never get the same life out of a re-roof as you would a tear off.
I do not support your claim. The only reason I would go over it is................well, I don't have justification.
Some companies don't tear it cuz theyre lazy. Some customers don't tear off cuz theyre penny wise and pound foolosh.
If the roof isnt leaking, and is in decent shape, why are they having it redone?
I do not support your claim. The only reason I would go over it is................well, I don't have justification.
Some companies don't tear it cuz theyre lazy. Some customers don't tear off cuz theyre penny wise and pound foolosh.
If the roof isnt leaking, and is in decent shape, why are they having it redone?
Pride_roofing
Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:27 pm
I noticed you are using Ridge Vent, Are there enough soffit vents? Blocking Gable vents? Using self contained Bath vents? What type of ridge vent are you using?
If the Shingles are curled in any way shape or form you must tear it off or void the warranty. Same with ventilation. Stat in Michigan is over 78% incorrect ventilation standards. So many homes without soffit vents with ridge vent blows my mind. See it all day long and can not understand why. May it be reading or lack of care. Either way voids warranty. If you are in the motor city i have prob ran into or know of you. Other than my company name im unknown but some know me. I would strongly suggest to make sure you do the job properly because it sounds like a customer with more smarts than you might know about. I would not fight the board or you will be out.
Personally I will NEVER recover due to the Half rule. 80% of recovers fail after half life of shingles. Kinda like puttin a bandaid on a torn off arm just gonna leak a little. Why not run at 225 a sqaure and tear it off? What type of shingles you running with?
If the Shingles are curled in any way shape or form you must tear it off or void the warranty. Same with ventilation. Stat in Michigan is over 78% incorrect ventilation standards. So many homes without soffit vents with ridge vent blows my mind. See it all day long and can not understand why. May it be reading or lack of care. Either way voids warranty. If you are in the motor city i have prob ran into or know of you. Other than my company name im unknown but some know me. I would strongly suggest to make sure you do the job properly because it sounds like a customer with more smarts than you might know about. I would not fight the board or you will be out.
Personally I will NEVER recover due to the Half rule. 80% of recovers fail after half life of shingles. Kinda like puttin a bandaid on a torn off arm just gonna leak a little. Why not run at 225 a sqaure and tear it off? What type of shingles you running with?
Psychonavigator
Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:00 am
no, I did all of my work in battle creek michigan. The man i've worked for has been doing this for 18 years for the same business, and there were many a time we went in and tore the old roof off completely. Now in the northern states the 78% failure rate seems right. But this situation i am describing now is in cali, where the cold is not such a huge factor. Like I said, the shingles are straight, overall structurally it looks okay... its just that they are going on 28 years, and they have the aged look to them, but other than that they seem fine. by all appearances there is a soffit vent going on, but i have learned in michigan to never trust appearances, becuase half the time it is sealed and soffit vent placed over it to look like it is done right.... WTF.
There is only one layer on, i would understand if there were more than one up there, but simply put i think the most economically feasible route would be to reshingle over the existing. If they tear off they will not be able to afford the ridge-ventilation, which is absurd. there is simply no way for the roofs to release all the heat building up inside.
There is only one layer on, i would understand if there were more than one up there, but simply put i think the most economically feasible route would be to reshingle over the existing. If they tear off they will not be able to afford the ridge-ventilation, which is absurd. there is simply no way for the roofs to release all the heat building up inside.
Master
Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:20 am
ridge vent can be installed for about 5-9 bucks a foot.
Psychonavigator
Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:04 pm
The HOA is being told ridge vent will be about a thousand more per roofline, which is BS because none of these rooflines are more than 60 feet long. Then again this is california land of the redicoulously over priced.
Master
Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:18 pm
OK I shoulda said "I can do it for 5-9 bucks a foot"
Pride_roofing
Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:01 am
Sales sales sales. No BS just dont know what to say. 5 a foot wow im at 12
